8mm projectors

**megalith6** · December 5th, 2005, 09:48 PM

the company was closed over the weekend, i thought i was dealing 1:1 with a private vendor.

the solution is now on its way which means i can lube and clean films, editor + projector, yea!

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**megalith6** · December 5th, 2005, 10:00 PM

hi Alex

I wonder if your movie reels are missing the adapters. regular 8 and super-8 use different hubs and the way to make one adapt to the other is with a small round plastic insert.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">the Chinon came with two Super 8 adapters. the upper one is correct but the lower one was presumably substituted for a lost one.

the substitute adapter locks onto the spindle all right, but there is nothing on it to prevent the reel of film spinning ... more or less out of control.

this means the projector arm spindle is not winding on the reel - the film is actually being wound through the projector by the sprockets!!!

and is presumably why the loops were suffering - under massive duress!

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i may have fixed the problem (prays) or there may be other things wrong with the projector, but i feel i have made - and with help gratefully received - some progress?

ric

**megalith6** · December 13th, 2005, 01:21 AM

i may have fixed the problem (prays) or there may be other things wrong with the projector, but i feel i have made - and with help gratefully received - some progress?

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">the flickering screen image has improved, but is not altogether resolved (sigh). on a hunch i gently but firmly laid a screwdriver across the lower film loop, which decreased the upper one and increased the lower curve of film loop - the film-jump ceased.

of course there is a sprung loop reformer in the side of the projector-lamp housing, but this does not seem to be very effective; manually re-forming the lower loop seems to resolve the screen flicker

two rollers at the end of the film path were not turning - i carefully applied sewing m/c oil to them, and they began to turn ... now and then: i'm wondering if these have been poorly machined or if they just need extremely fine tuning?

my lube hasn't turned up yet so i cleaned the test 3 minutes of celluloid with wax polish heavily diluted with film cleaner, which seemed to work okay.

am i slowly beginning to get the hang of this projector?

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**Alex** · December 13th, 2005, 09:32 AM

Sometimes it's best to not have a "work in progress' projector be your main projector because it could end up leading to you harming footage that you value.

Check out the Elmo Projectors, if you ever see one cheaply priced, it may be worth picking up as a second option that becomes your best option.

I don't know about the wax thing that you did, sounds dicey to me.

**megalith6** · December 13th, 2005, 02:50 PM

hi,

this projector was set up to 'set me up' i think: caveat emptor - [img]graemlins/rain.gif[/img] - the Super 8 hub was incorrect and the loop-former didn't work properly; several of the spinners on the film path had stopped working. both sprockets were filthy but have cleaned up like new: the projector is actually working now, after years of perplexity, and a lot of mostly internet-help, i am beginning to see my way through

i still intend to take it to bits - any tips on lubing the interior/gears: oil or grease, please?

picked up the wax thing from somewhere else, apparently some folks use 'pledge' over here, to lube their film paths, but this may retail under a different name in the States? Don't worry, this is 50ft of edit celluloid i knocked together to try out the projector!

mixed a tiny amount of liquid wax polish (contains silicon - recommended?) with film cleaner, so when the cleaner evaporates it leaves an invisible residue of wax on film (and path) - which is basically what 'lubing' film is, i think: please correct me if i am wrong here - still feeling my way?

any projector i look at must have variable speed control, would the Elmo's have this + 24fps, because i want to do some film transfers?

i'd love to use sound stripe technology on a multiple track sound projector but the SOUND from a projector is something to ponder . . .

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but i sure am learning heaps about projectors, just now!

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thanks,

ric

**Alex** · December 19th, 2005, 06:14 AM

A few Elmo projectors have variable speed adjustments on them. Some have actual adjusment knobs on the outside that are easy to adjust, others have them internally on pots that can be adjusted.

But don't use a metal screwdrive as this can short out the projector.

**megalith6** · December 20th, 2005, 01:27 AM

A few Elmo projectors have variable speed adjustments on them. Some have actual adjusment knobs on the outside that are easy to adjust, others have them internally on pots that can be adjusted.

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">ok thanks - i'll keep an eye out.

the Chinon is working now [touch wood] and i transferred about 2.5 minutes of film to disc yesterday; i found i had to run the projector faster than 24fps to minimalise flicker on the dv camcorder; i used a video transfer box. when i had the speeded up film on hard drive, i slowed it down with edit hardware. the result looks okay. the hardware edit speed is a bit basic though - normal + half speed, and that's it! still, all in all, a small success.

now i have to knock up a pair of rewinds so i can lube my 15 minute film

season's greetings - and to all!

ric

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**megalith6** · December 20th, 2005, 12:44 PM

...when i had the speeded up film on hard drive, i slowed it down with edit hardware. the result looks okay. the hardware edit speed is a bit basic though - normal + half speed, and that's it!

<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">- or rather, that's not it! there is a speed/time slider in the software: this means you can speed your fps on the projector to match the fps on the camcorder [approx x2], then reverse the process in the software, and end up back in 'real time' motion

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**zardozobe** · December 20th, 2005, 10:20 PM

I have been searching the web for a discussion board. I hope this is it! I am trying to sell my grandfathers old super 8 camera. But there is a small broken part. (see link)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MESE:IT

Is it easy to replace or is this sale not worth reposting? I don't know a lot about cameras so I thought I would ask some pro's. If this isn't the appropriate site for this could you tell me where one is?